Missional Mega-Church: A Contradiction in Terms?

Ed Stetzer and Dave Fitch square off on this question: Can a mega-church be missional?


Ed Stetzer & Dave Fitch - a missional conversation Part II from Bill Kinnon on Vimeo.

3 comments:

  1. Hi friend, peace...

    Your blog very interesting.
    But I have some questions for you:

    First, why were you believe that Jesus is your God?

    Second, what do you response? If you know that Jesus is created by Constantine (the Roman Emperor at 325 AC) and the leaders of Christians in Nicea Convention on 325 AC (After Christ).

    Third, how about this information? (1) Deuteronomy 6:4 , “Hear O Israel Yahweh our God is the one, the only Yahweh.” (2) Paul wrote that “God is only one,” in Galatians 3:20 . (3) "I am Yahweh your God . . . You shall have no gods except me,” Exodus 20: 2,3.

    Fourth, how about this information? (1) Nowhere in the Bible is the day of worship changed from Saturday to Sunday. This change was not made by the Almighty, but by the Roman Church; (2) The name “Jesus” is derived from the Greek name “Ieasus,” which actually means “son of Zeus.” Sadly, when people call upon the name of Jesus they are actually speaking of Greek mythology.

    Fifth, how about this information? It was Roman Emperor Constantine who mandated Christianity to be the universal religion. Before he did this though, he made huge changes in the faith. Constantine gave several edicts that would separate the church from Biblical Judaism. These decrees mandated ancient pagan practices, like Christmas, Communion, Easter, and Sun day worship, as “Christian.”

    Sixth, how about this information? Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians was changed, by the Church of Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief.

    Seventh, how about this information? There are many similarities between the pagan god of Christ and the Christian version of Jesus. For example, Greek mythology tells of Christ bring born to the virgin Isis on December 25.

    Eighth, how about this information? The word “trinity” cannot be found in the Bible. It wasn’t formally a part of church doctrine until the 4th century, when the Church first began teaching god as being in three separate persons.

    Thanks for you answer.
    I hope we can be friend, although we have different perspective.
    If you willing visit my blog, and read my article at http://sosiologidakwah.blogspot.com
    And... if you love books, read The Holy Qur'an please...

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  2. Aristiono - I'm not Chris but felt compelled to chime in.

    Jesus was a living, breathing man who walked this earth. Historians will not dispute that. What do you mean he was "created" by constantine?

    Your Deuteronomy/Galatians/Exodus quotes are consistant. What is the point you are trying to make? The God of the OT is the same God of the NT.

    God's simple command regarding a sabbath was to work six days and then rest one. Having a discussion on Sat vs. Sun does not impact your argument in a material way.

    Regarding Constantine and His decrees... The word Christmas is not found in the Bible, but its intent is to reflect and celebrate the birth of Christ. Giving thanks to God for sending his son to this earth is a problem why? The first communion was between Jesus and his disciples. How is it pagan? The word Easter, like Christmas, is not in the Bible. But it is a grand celebration of Christ rising from the dead. Again, that's bad why? The heart of the celebration is what matters. Humans can and will corrupt anything.

    The doctrine of the trinity was not created by the Church of Rome. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." The plural pronoun is not a typo or mistranslation. Just because a doctrine is hard to comprehend does not mean it is wrong or corrupted.

    Similarities between Christianity and Greek mythology make no material point. There are many similarities between Mormonism and Christianity. Similarities do not invalidate either and add nothing to your goal of invalidating Christianity.

    We've already discussed the trinity. Just because the english word "trinity" is not found in the bible does not mean it does not exist. See Genesis 1:26.

    Perhaps most important, the case for faith in Christ manifests itself in the personal impact that a living, relational God has on your life. After all, faith with all the facts is no longer faith.

    Cheers,
    John

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  3. Good stuff Chris. Thanks for posting this!

    Paul

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